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	<description>Miscellaneous Affronts to Your Assumptions</description>
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		<title>By: Stever Robbins</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmictap.com/apocalypse/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>Stever Robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2006 00:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-renewable resource shortages have been predicted for at least the last 40 years. The entire environmental movement was basically launched by the publication (and world-wide translation) of "Limits to Growth" in 1972. The 20-year update, "Beyond the Limits" and the 30-year update, "Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Update" have continued to examine several world systems--including resource usage--over the time.

Though the Limits folks do NOT, contrary to sloppy reading of the book, attempt to predict specific outcomes on specific timeframes, they DO look at the long-term implications of various policies.

For example, they take the assumption "if you use a non-renewable resource faster than it gets replaced, you will eventually run out" and build a model around it. Surprise--you eventually run out of your resource. You can tweak the parameters and assumptions about how much you have to start with, but all that changes is the amount of time before the resource tanks.

The 30-year update takes an oddly optimistic tone, even while examining 12 different combinations of policies in an attempt to find combinations that don't lead to global collapse of one form or another. Almost all scenarios lead to one form of collapse or another. The only difference is what triggers the collapse (pollution, resource shortage, lack of farmable land, etc.) and how long we can go before it happens.

The only sustainable scenarios require shifts in many sectors at once. We need more renewable energy usage, achieve better resource distribution [poor people have more children, as that's the only form of old age security they have], etc.

If you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it. While they don't make specific recommendations, they clearly show combinations of policies that do and don't lead to global collapse.

- Stever

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-renewable resource shortages have been predicted for at least the last 40 years. The entire environmental movement was basically launched by the publication (and world-wide translation) of &#8220;Limits to Growth&#8221; in 1972. The 20-year update, &#8220;Beyond the Limits&#8221; and the 30-year update, &#8220;Limits to Growth: The 30 Year Update&#8221; have continued to examine several world systems&#8211;including resource usage&#8211;over the time.</p>
<p>Though the Limits folks do NOT, contrary to sloppy reading of the book, attempt to predict specific outcomes on specific timeframes, they DO look at the long-term implications of various policies.</p>
<p>For example, they take the assumption &#8220;if you use a non-renewable resource faster than it gets replaced, you will eventually run out&#8221; and build a model around it. Surprise&#8211;you eventually run out of your resource. You can tweak the parameters and assumptions about how much you have to start with, but all that changes is the amount of time before the resource tanks.</p>
<p>The 30-year update takes an oddly optimistic tone, even while examining 12 different combinations of policies in an attempt to find combinations that don&#8217;t lead to global collapse of one form or another. Almost all scenarios lead to one form of collapse or another. The only difference is what triggers the collapse (pollution, resource shortage, lack of farmable land, etc.) and how long we can go before it happens.</p>
<p>The only sustainable scenarios require shifts in many sectors at once. We need more renewable energy usage, achieve better resource distribution [poor people have more children, as that's the only form of old age security they have], etc.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t read the book, I highly recommend it. While they don&#8217;t make specific recommendations, they clearly show combinations of policies that do and don&#8217;t lead to global collapse.</p>
<p>- Stever</p>
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		<title>By: Larissa</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmictap.com/apocalypse/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Larissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hun, you are freaking me out.  xo - riss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hun, you are freaking me out.  xo - riss</p>
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		<title>By: Nika</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmictap.com/apocalypse/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Nika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 17:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's not forget that it is those humble garden growing house dwellers in the middle of nowheres-ville America that drive 20 miles to get a gallon of milk that are getting left out of the blaming loop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget that it is those humble garden growing house dwellers in the middle of nowheres-ville America that drive 20 miles to get a gallon of milk that are getting left out of the blaming loop.</p>
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