Comments on: Google Photographs In Public Places, And So Do We http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/ Miscellaneous Affronts To Your Assumptions Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:39:30 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Outtanames999 http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1894 Outtanames999 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:28:45 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1894 In fact, the presumption of photography at will is so great that at most trade shows and conferences today, as an attendees, you typically give them the right to use your likeness when you register. (Read the fine print.) In fact, if you, for some reason do NOT want your photo taken, you have to assert that point with the show management (if the fine print allows that option - if not you would have to forego attending to ensure you are not videotaped or photographed). In fact, the presumption of photography at will is so great that at most trade shows and conferences today, as an attendees, you typically give them the right to use your likeness when you register. (Read the fine print.) In fact, if you, for some reason do NOT want your photo taken, you have to assert that point with the show management (if the fine print allows that option – if not you would have to forego attending to ensure you are not videotaped or photographed).

]]> By: Outtanames999 http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-6305 Outtanames999 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:28:45 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-6305 In fact, the presumption of photography at will is so great that at most trade shows and conferences today, as an attendees, you typically give them the right to use your likeness when you register. (Read the fine print.) In fact, if you, for some reason do NOT want your photo taken, you have to assert that point with the show management (if the fine print allows that option - if not you would have to forego attending to ensure you are not videotaped or photographed). In fact, the presumption of photography at will is so great that at most trade shows and conferences today, as an attendees, you typically give them the right to use your likeness when you register. (Read the fine print.) In fact, if you, for some reason do NOT want your photo taken, you have to assert that point with the show management (if the fine print allows that option – if not you would have to forego attending to ensure you are not videotaped or photographed).

]]> By: Jim Warren http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1890 Jim Warren Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:45:34 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1890 Oh, one caveat however: Exhibitors rent their exhibit space - the booth-space they occupy. As such (and within the limits of their rental contract with the show manager), they CAN control what people do while WITHIN their booth-space. However - just as we (and Google) CAN take whatever photos we desire while remaining in a public area (e.g. on a street as StreetView does) - attendees can take whatever photos they darn-well please, as long as they remain in the aisles and other areas where they are permitted (by the show management and their admission) to be. --jim Oh, one caveat however: Exhibitors rent their exhibit space – the booth-space they occupy. As such (and within the limits of their rental contract with the show manager), they CAN control what people do while WITHIN their booth-space. However – just as we (and Google) CAN take whatever photos we desire while remaining in a public area (e.g. on a street as StreetView does) – attendees can take whatever photos they darn-well please, as long as they remain in the aisles and other areas where they are permitted (by the show management and their admission) to be.

–jim

]]> By: Jim Warren http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1891 Jim Warren Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:44:14 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1891 Uh, folks. I ran the West Coast Computer Faires in San Francisco for eight years (last one I ran, in 1983, drew more'n 47,000 attendees), and I'll tell ya - unless the trade-show itself prohibits taking photos in the exhibit areas (which show-owners would almost-never prohibit, since they/we LIKE publicity!), it absolutely IS permissible for anyone to take photos of any areas open to public/attendee access. (Incidentally, that also includes taking photos in the technical sessions that are organized and operated by the show management, unless prohibited by said management. It also includes photographing of individual attendees, as long as they are in the open/public areas where the admission-paying or freebie attendees are permitted. [Of course, such "public" areas do NOT include the restrooms, etc.]) --jim, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Warren Uh, folks. I ran the West Coast Computer Faires in San Francisco for eight years (last one I ran, in 1983, drew more’n 47,000 attendees), and I’ll tell ya – unless the trade-show itself prohibits taking photos in the exhibit areas (which show-owners would almost-never prohibit, since they/we LIKE publicity!), it absolutely IS permissible for anyone to take photos of any areas open to public/attendee access.

(Incidentally, that also includes taking photos in the technical sessions that are organized and operated by the show management, unless prohibited by said management. It also includes photographing of individual attendees, as long as they are in the open/public areas where the admission-paying or freebie attendees are permitted. [Of course, such "public" areas do NOT include the restrooms, etc.])

–jim, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Warren

]]> By: Jim Warren http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-6306 Jim Warren Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:45:34 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-6306 Oh, one caveat however: Exhibitors rent their exhibit space - the booth-space they occupy. As such (and within the limits of their rental contract with the show manager), they CAN control what people do while WITHIN their booth-space. However - just as we (and Google) CAN take whatever photos we desire while remaining in a public area (e.g. on a street as StreetView does) - attendees can take whatever photos they darn-well please, as long as they remain in the aisles and other areas where they are permitted (by the show management and their admission) to be.<br><br>--jim Oh, one caveat however: Exhibitors rent their exhibit space – the booth-space they occupy. As such (and within the limits of their rental contract with the show manager), they CAN control what people do while WITHIN their booth-space. However – just as we (and Google) CAN take whatever photos we desire while remaining in a public area (e.g. on a street as StreetView does) – attendees can take whatever photos they darn-well please, as long as they remain in the aisles and other areas where they are permitted (by the show management and their admission) to be.

–jim

]]> By: Jim Warren http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-6307 Jim Warren Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:44:14 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-6307 Uh, folks. I ran the West Coast Computer Faires in San Francisco for eight years (last one I ran, in 1983, drew more'n 47,000 attendees), and I'll tell ya - unless the trade-show itself prohibits taking photos in the exhibit areas (which show-owners would almost-never prohibit, since they/we LIKE publicity!), it absolutely IS permissible for anyone to take photos of any areas open to public/attendee access.<br><br>(Incidentally, that also includes taking photos in the technical sessions that are organized and operated by the show management, unless prohibited by said management. It also includes photographing of individual attendees, as long as they are in the open/public areas where the admission-paying or freebie attendees are permitted. [Of course, such "public" areas do NOT include the restrooms, etc.])<br><br>--jim, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Warren Uh, folks. I ran the West Coast Computer Faires in San Francisco for eight years (last one I ran, in 1983, drew more’n 47,000 attendees), and I’ll tell ya – unless the trade-show itself prohibits taking photos in the exhibit areas (which show-owners would almost-never prohibit, since they/we LIKE publicity!), it absolutely IS permissible for anyone to take photos of any areas open to public/attendee access.

(Incidentally, that also includes taking photos in the technical sessions that are organized and operated by the show management, unless prohibited by said management. It also includes photographing of individual attendees, as long as they are in the open/public areas where the admission-paying or freebie attendees are permitted. [Of course, such "public" areas do NOT include the restrooms, etc.])

–jim, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Warren

]]> By: Anthony http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1888 Anthony Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:00:46 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1888 Google doesn't own the property and thus, they weren't asserting property rights. I shouldn't have referred to the Moscone as public property, and I apologize. But under prior case law, I still think the company's ability to have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" (the legal standard to which they referred in their Google Street View statement to the <em>New York Times</em>) at a trade show - one that is <em>open to the public</em> and where photography <em>is permitted</em> - is effectively zero. As for the actual owners, the TechWeb / O'Reilly folks are not going to ask Moscone to bar photography at this event. The other exhibitors and attendees would not have it. Anyway, about an hour later, Google straightened out the booth personnel and photographs were allowed. Google doesn’t own the property and thus, they weren’t asserting property rights. I shouldn’t have referred to the Moscone as public property, and I apologize.

But under prior case law, I still think the company’s ability to have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” (the legal standard to which they referred in their Google Street View statement to the New York Times) at a trade show – one that is open to the public and where photography is permitted – is effectively zero.

As for the actual owners, the TechWeb / O’Reilly folks are not going to ask Moscone to bar photography at this event. The other exhibitors and attendees would not have it.

Anyway, about an hour later, Google straightened out the booth personnel and photographs were allowed.

]]> By: Henrik B http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1886 Henrik B Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:26:46 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1886 Frode, you can take pictures of a building as long as you are on public property. If you have to enter private property to take the picture, the property owner are within their rights to restrict photography whichever way they want. Frode, you can take pictures of a building as long as you are on public property. If you have to enter private property to take the picture, the property owner are within their rights to restrict photography whichever way they want.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-6308 Anthony Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:00:46 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-6308 Google doesn't own the property and thus, they weren't asserting property rights. I shouldn't have referred to the Moscone as public property, and I apologize.<br><br>But under prior case law, I still think the company's ability to have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" (the legal standard to which they referred in their Google Street View statement to the <em>New York Times</em>) at a trade show - one that is <em>open to the public</em> and where photography <em>is permitted</em> - is effectively zero.<br><br>As for the actual owners, the TechWeb / O'Reilly folks are not going to ask Moscone to bar photography at this event. The other exhibitors and attendees would not have it.<br><br>Anyway, about an hour later, Google straightened out the booth personnel and photographs were allowed. Google doesn’t own the property and thus, they weren’t asserting property rights. I shouldn’t have referred to the Moscone as public property, and I apologize.

But under prior case law, I still think the company’s ability to have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” (the legal standard to which they referred in their Google Street View statement to the New York Times) at a trade show – one that is open to the public and where photography is permitted – is effectively zero.

As for the actual owners, the TechWeb / O’Reilly folks are not going to ask Moscone to bar photography at this event. The other exhibitors and attendees would not have it.

Anyway, about an hour later, Google straightened out the booth personnel and photographs were allowed.

]]> By: Frode Hegland http://www.cosmictap.com/google-photographs-in-public-places-and-so-do-we/comment-page-1/#comment-1883 Frode Hegland Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:40:35 +0000 http://www.cosmictap.com/?p=918#comment-1883 But Sam, you can take pictures of a building even if it's not government owned right? But Sam, you can take pictures of a building even if it’s not government owned right?

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